Curse

Sun Fired Blank · Jun 07, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

To be frank, my conduct is very practical and independent. I have one role-playing character that I use to max various titles. I use Druid Armor instead of Obsidian Armor. My weapon of choice is the Poisonous Nevermore Flatbow. My hero armor is covered in Runes of Minor Vigor instead of Runes of Superior Vigor. If I desire a specific unique, I crush the monster until it drops. As a result, I often have very sizeable amounts of cash to give away. So I give it away. The simple fact is that I have no practical use for it. I have very minimal concern for aesthetics and it isn't cost-functional to improve my equipment. If my cash and my items can enhance another's quality of play, then why shouldn't I give it away? That said, my generosity is too often squandered for me to care anymore. If my generosity does not benefit anyone (or in several cases, hurts another people), than I simply have no reason to be generous. It's a real shame; I use the Ventari forum because I know that if someone purchases one of my items, they have at least some use for it, and I price my items fairly, but not low enough that a buyer could profit from a resale. I used to give away items until just recently, but very few people use them, and while it isn't overly useful to me, their absolute lack of gratitude is a real obstacle to continued generosity. In summary: Don't bother to help other people. It rarely worthwhile to you or to anyone else, and there's no emotional or practical incentive to do it.

JeniM · Jun 07, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

The otherday i was sent a pm and told to go to a GH for a reward for helping out. i went they opened trade and gave me 10k.

. I said "thanks, Whats this for?" and they said wooops wrong person. So i did what anyone would do - map traveled and added them to ignore list

JOKE - i traded straight 10k back to them but i sometimes wonder if it does pay to be nice as i doubt many people would give back and i need money for sig caps

Los Hectorlos · Jun 07, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeniM

The otherday i was sent a pm and told to go to a GH for a reward for helping out. i went they opened trade and gave me 10k.

. I said "thanks, Whats this for?" and they said wooops wrong person. So i did what anyone would do - map traveled and added them to ignore list

Rofl! But sadly 90% of the people on GW would do that. :l

Sofonisba · Jun 07, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Quite right. Once you freely give something to someone you don’t know, be it a weapon, information, help on a mission, it is theirs to keep and they have no legal obligation to give you anything in return, even a thank you.

But I’m sorry, nobody feels good when they give stuff away to greedy little fake scammy little buggers who pretend to be poor, playing on sympathies of good people.*

*(My favorite example of this was encountering a warrior in Kodash, crying that she sold all her armor, now she didn’t have any to wear, because she wanted Vabbi armor; would anyone help her please? I whispered her all kinds of info about collectors, the 1k armor at the docks—she was a Canthan warrior, I could tell. Later I saw her in another district in Kodash, wearing full 15k Luxon… glad I didn’t fall for her schtick, I hope no one else did…)

It’s being the fairy godmother when someone needs it the most, that feels good. It’s having the right information or the right experience at the right time in the right district to answer a question in local chat, which can change the inquirer’s game play, or even their day, for the better.

Anyway, a "thank you" says, maybe you did help them, and they're not a fake little scammy person who just took you for a ride.

allience · Jun 07, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

it's worth it to be nice if it makes you feel good about it. as a reward you might make a new friend

i try to be nice with advice or helping guildies/alliance with pve missions. i don't like to give away stuff though. the best i do is sell something for a lower price to friends.
i used to be more helpful towards strangers but i guess i got fed up with various things to still care.

TheRaven · Jun 07, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Hmm, I guess this boils down to your definition of "Nice".

I think I'm nice. I'm usually friendly ingame. I don't cuss out moronic players. (Instead I come here and share my experiences with others who need a laugh) I try to help out newbies. If someone joins my team with a horrible horrible build, I won't kick them, but will make suggestions on their build. If they insist on running a bad build, I will kick them.

However, I'm greedy. I don't give handouts. I can't stand the beggars in town. You know the ones, "can sum one gimme 300g for armor",
"I need 10 steel ingots FREE!!!!!!!!!" I ignore them. It makes no sense to stand around town for 2 hours spamming "Gimme 50g for my storage account" when even a lowly level 1 could hop outside, kill a few monsters and earn 50g in about 15 minutes. If they're too dumb to do that, I hope they tire of the game and uninstall it soon.

I also don't have much patience with jerks. I was bored a few weeks ago and I joined a Captured Son team. I figured my level 20 warrior could help them out. Halfway to the lagoon they started insulting me. They were running in the wrong direction and when i tried to correct them, they called me a noob, a moron and a few other things I won't repeat. I left. After they failed the quest, the leader PM'd me to yell at me for leaving them stranded. Oh well. Tough!

LOL, maybe I'm not nice after all.

HardWonFame · Jun 07, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

I am always polite and courteous with other players, even the more moronic ones. I will not give people anything. Giving someone free money just gives them the idea that they can make it through a game like this with just spamming for hand-outs. I try to help people out, teach people tricks or methods for making money or completing quests, but giving things out for free is in my opinion counter productive.

Being nice and polite to other players is the best way to receive the same back from them.

Elruid · Jun 07, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

In my opinion nothing has any worth. It's all pointless anyway.
So, can't really judge anybody.

This describes what I think:

It's not just about someone pissing in your cereals, but finding out
they passed kidney stones as well.

All in all, hey, it's typical. And also damn boring because of that very predictability.

Age · Jun 07, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

It seems to me this person is young and is new to the game or relatively.There are times i am nice and give things away if they are taking up to much room in my vault.I will however give the good stuff to guildies and alliance members.

Mr. G · Jun 07, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

People arnt as nice as they were, acording to a recent survey (=P) only 52% of the communoty would stop a scam happening - Unlike the past days of 73%

clawofcrimson · Jun 07, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

There is a law called sowing and reaping... (aka Karma) and it has always held true in my life.

lakatz · Jun 07, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

I also don't have much patience with jerks. I was bored a few weeks ago and I joined a Captured Son team. I figured my level 20 warrior could help them out. Halfway to the lagoon they started insulting me. They were running in the wrong direction and when i tried to correct them, they called me a noob, a moron and a few other things I won't repeat. I left. After they failed the quest, the leader PM'd me to yell at me for leaving them stranded. Oh well. Tough!

LOL, maybe I'm not nice after all.

If you can't send them to their room to stay until they can show everyone including themselves respect, leave their group. It's a must-do in all the good parenting books... and 'ya done good'.

Perkunas · Jun 07, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

When I first started playing GW (Prophesies), several of my 'friends' from another game had been playing GW awhile. I went from pre to post just barely a level 3. I had less than 100g, no raw materials, no real clue about how to play the game. They were too busy trying to get thru Magumma Jungle or were in the Desert trying to get ascended, to help me figure out what to do. I just played as best I could. When I finally got to Lion's Arch, I was still wearing the starter armor and using a bow (7-10 dmg) that a Charr had dropped outside Piken Square. I did have enough gold and materials to get armor in LA.

Since that time I have gotten 4 characters thru Prophesies. I have a 'Mule" with bags full of materials and around 300k in storage. I have a few max gold weapons, a couple of greens that I don't have any real need for, and several upgrades that I am just sitting on.

When I see a low level (2-4) person with no guild tags in post-Ascalon asking for help, I am asking what help they need. When they ask the 'right' question, they are in for a surprise. I will usually give them what they need, gold & materials, for Ascalon armor. If I have a weapon for their class that is better than what they have, I give it to them. I make sure they have a storage account and at least 5k in gold also. I then help them thru several quests and as many missions as they want to do during that time. Depending on their attitude during this time, I may even run them as far as Lion's Arch and give them one of those max weapons I have in storage.

On rare occasions, they come back asking for more. Depending on the tone of the need, I will try to help.

I do this because I like to help people and because of the trouble I had in the beginning. When they say they will repay me, I tell them not to worry about it. Maybe someday down the road, when they can, they will help someone.

Krazi Bastid · Jun 07, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

usually, like once a week, i go on a farming binge. fill up my whole inventory with golds. then i go to ascalon city, shingjea, and kamadan and jus give stuff away to lowbies, 1 per person. its nice when even tho they get like a zodiac sword they are like yeahhhh! im badass. reminds me of when i first started and how i thought i was badass with an fds.
nowadays, ppls are dumber and idiotic than ever with skillchoices and char set ups. helpin em understand the schematics of the game and builds will improve player quality and the ppl who helped by being nice and teachin the noobs will be affected by being able to group with less nonmorons. so their help wont have gone to waste.

Andrew Patrick · Jun 07, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Personally, I think it is worth it. If you ask anyone in my guild, I am notoriously poor because I give away more than I sell or trade. To me, its a game, and helping someone have a good experience is more important to me than "ph4t l00t." And no, that isn't just because I work for Anet...I felt the same way when I was playing other games before I was even in the industry.

I have given a few things away to people only to have them sell them, or start spamming for more freebies not 5 seconds after the trade is completed. A wise person once said, kind people should never cease to be nice because of a few jerks. Be nice to everyone, and if some of them are ungrateful for that kindness, they are the ones who should change, not you. If you are out there helping others you are already a bigger person than they are, so IMO continue to be the bigger person by not letting them change who you are.

Turbo Wombat · Jun 08, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

My general rule for the game has always been that I'll help people as long as they're polite and it doesn't involve money or items. I earned all my stuff up from nothing without too much trouble and I think they can do the same.

Solus Spartan · Jun 08, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Heck with it... giving this it's own thread.

Two days ago a level 9 warrior is in Ascalon asking for a gold sword to buy. I have a spare... a req 9 Cruel Fanged sword of Enchanting, 15^50, 20% in storage... so rather than haggle a price I just gave it to him. Seemed real appreciative, I felt good about it.

Last night... I get an accidental PM from the guy.

Selling Req 9 Cruel Fanged Sword of Enchanting, 15^50, very nice Nightfall skin! 70K.

So... I respond to the guy... you're selling the sword I gave you? "No, I'd never do that! I'm going to keep it forever!"

o.O

Sometimes our species really disappoints me.

Nice guys finish last.

drago34 · Jun 08, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

For the most part I gave up on helping people out a long time ago. I still will from time to time but nowhere near as often as I used to.

floppinghog · Jun 08, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

I'm usually nice to people who you can tell for sure need it. Though I normally do my own thing sometimes when I'm in the mood (most of the time not from life) I'll help that one noob do a mission or help direct them through the story and even buy them their armor.

Those who may want to be nice but don't trust the strangers, start out asking a question that either a pro would know the answer to or what noob would say in response. When you take that small step to quiz them, it would weed out someone who is just trying to scam someone.

Finding someone who spends alot of time asking for help without anyone coming forward (like for a mission) are a good choice to approach if you ask me. Heck, I did the Lyssa mirror mission for someone with them just following my few commands as to where to stand and fight nearby enemies, and they did great. Plus, the guy was so happy from it he wanted to be friends, and hes in my guild now. Nice guy and had the capability to LEARN the game unlike the random fools you see talk in local chat.

Ohh I remember this one time this noob saw me talking in local and was answering some stupid but normal noob questions for some people. This noob whispered me to help him find out if a trade was equal worth (some gold perfect sword for something else expensive-i forget) I was able to explain to him what some of the worths were and if he was getting scammed or not. It worked out well, but fact is I could have said whatever I wanted and got him to trade me whatever expensive thing it was for whatever I wanted lol... but I'm not like that.

i'll admit, i'm generally an asshole because i hate whoever reads this and everyone else in the world. Oh well I guess! Generally speaking, I think people should treat others as they want to be treated in addition to "an eye for an eye". People get what they deserve and treat everyone else how you'd want it for you. I ignore most people because too many people ask for help before using their brains. Figure it out yourself most of the time, and when your feeling it and someone really wants to figure something out but NEEDS that help, GIVE them it, they probably tried and can't get it right on their own so they are trying the last outlet. Ya know?

Abarra · Jun 08, 2007, 04:32 AM // 04:32

recently in shing jea a guy was asking for 50g for storage, offering to pay 100g back. I gave him the 50g and told him not to worry about paying me back. He pmed me later and asked what prof I was and I told him ranger and he gave me a nice bow, wouldn't take no for an answer. So yes there are nice people out there